Smart Forests Radio

How are forests becoming digital environments? The Smart Forests research project investigates the social-political impacts of digital technologies that monitor and govern forests. In this podcast series, we speak to scientists, artists, activists, and technologists about their work. Find out more about the Smart Forests project at https://smartforests.net/ and explore the Smart Forests Atlas at https://atlas.smartforests.net/.

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Episodes

The Bujang Raba Carbon Project

Wednesday May 08, 2024

Wednesday May 08, 2024

In this episode of Smart Forest Radio, we invite Emmy Primadona and Famila Juniarti from the Indonesian Conservation Community Warsi to discuss the implementation of carbon funds in the landscape of Bukit Panjang Rantau Bayur, commonly abbreviated as Bujang Raba, located in the Bungo regency, Jambi province. Emmy discusses how she assures the community that the funding that comes from the carbon project does not mean they are selling their forests but rather demonstrates how the international community values community conservation efforts.
Interviewer: Yuti Ariani Fatimah
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Language note: This interview takes place in Indonesian.
Image: Yuti Fatimah

Wednesday Apr 17, 2024

Within the Netherlands, there are a lot of widely contrasting ideas about biodiversity. The ‘Stichting Deltaplan Biodiversiteitsherstel’ is a foundation that connects parties, including biodiversity organisations, politics, farmers, and local initiatives, together to create plans for biodiversity restoration. Fleur Bokma worked as a biodiversity advisor for this project. In this interview, she discusses the use of indicators, the challenges of measuring and monitoring these indicators, and how to work collectively with organisations that have different interests and ambitions concerning biodiversity. She discusses how digital infrastructures potentially bring diverging perspectives on biodiversity closer together because they can help to create more collective ambitions. The website 'Samen voor Biodiversiteit', provides an overview of all the initiatives and partners involved. It’s a great resource for understanding the diverse ongoing local and national biodiversity projects that are taking place in the Netherlands.
Interviewer: Michelle Westerlaken
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Language note: This interview takes place in Dutch.
Image: Samen voor Biodiversiteit, https://www.samenvoorbiodiversiteit.nl/projecten

Wednesday Mar 13, 2024

In this Smart Forest Radio episode, we invite Benita Nathania, Mirzha Hanifah (Hani), and Hidayah (Iday) Hamzah from the World Resources Institute (WRI) Indonesia to discuss the use of Global Forest Watch (GFW), an online platform for near real-time forest monitoring in Indonesia. Benita, Hani, and Iday talk about the challenges of utilising GFW in Indonesia. They especially consider complexities related to the diversity of forest definitions and the importance of understanding methodology in interpreting data.
Interviewer: Yuti Ariani Fatimah
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Language note: This interview takes place in Indonesian.
For more on Global Forest Watch, head to Smart Forests Atlas
Image: Nathania et al. (2022), https://wri-indonesia.org/id/publikasi/metode-prioritisasi-peringatan-terkini-perubahan-tutupan-pohon-glad-alert-untuk-berbagai

Wednesday Feb 28, 2024


In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we speak with Pranav Menon, a PhD researcher in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Minnesota, about the politics surrounding forest-dwelling communities, forest commons, and digital technologies in India. Pranav focuses on his engagement with the Van Gujjars, a pastoral community experiencing discrimination, on forest claims made through bottom-up mapping practices. Through ethnographic research combined with a handheld GPS eTrex device, he explores ways to generate different imaginations of forest space rooted in pastoralists’ language and life, which can challenge the state’s hierarchisation of land and people. Despite their insurgent possibilities, Pranav also notes that technologies such as GIS might impact the way the pastoral communities perceive and use space, potentially undermining their traditional way of living.
Interviewers: Trishant Simlai and Kate Lewis Hood
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Image: Pranav Menon

Wednesday Feb 14, 2024

In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we are in conversation with Ignacio Barbeito, an Assistant Professor of Silviculture in the Department of Forest Resources Management, at the University of British Columbia. Ignacio discusses how the Climate-Smart Forestry (CSF) approach is transforming forest research practices. He highlights that technologies like tomography, lidar, GIS, and drones are enabling unprecedented ways of seeing forests, providing data such as heartbeat-like growth patterns of trees. As revolutionary as they are, Ignacio also notes that these technologies may blind us with an overwhelming amount of data and incomprehensibly high resolution.
Interviewers: Jennifer Gabrys and Max Ritts
Producer: Harry Murdoch
For more on Clmate-Smart Forestry, head to Smart Forests Atlas
Image: Kamil Kędra and Ignacio Barbeito (2022), https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41064-022-00201-3

Wednesday Jan 31, 2024

In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we speak with Tom Bewick, former Peru director at Rainforest Foundation US and currently an international project specialist at Nature4Climate. The conversation focuses on the Rainforest Alert, a community forest monitoring system in the Peruvian Amazon that Tom co-developed during his time at the Rainforest Foundation. The Rainforest Alert integrates smartphone technologies, open data deforestation alerts like Global Forest Watch, offline GIS, drones, and satellite imageries to support Indigenous-led monitoring and protection of their territories. Tom discusses how Indigenous communities use the system for their monthly patrols—detecting deforestation activities, patrolling sites, recording evidence, and collectively deciding on a course of action. He also comments on the implications of such a real-time alert system for the intervention process, governance structure, and data ownership.
Interviewers: Kate Lewis Hood and Jennifer Gabrys
Producer: Harry Murdoch
For more on Rainforest Alert, head to Smart Forests Atlas
Image: Rainforest Foundation US, https://rainforestfoundation.org

Wednesday Jan 17, 2024


In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we are in conversation with tree-ring researcher Ute Sass Klaassen at Van Hall Larenstein and Wageningen University & Research, and multi-species geographer Clemens Driessen at Wageningen University & Research. Their research illustrates different more-than-human approaches to engaging with seemingly slower entities like trees and snails by using digital technology. Ute discusses how sensors enable the analysis of the interaction between tree vitality and climate change, such as rate of growth and water transport in stems. To obtain a fuller picture of how trees react to extreme climate events, she explores ways to combine remotely sensed data from drones and satellites with data from tree sensors. Clemens shares an artistic design research project, Unwhorl, developed in collaboration with Mari Bastashevski and Sam Lavinge, which visualises the traces snails leave as they interact with an iPad.
Interviewer: Michelle Westerlaken
Producer: Harry Murdoch
For more on Tweeting Trees and tree-ring research by DendroLab, head to Smart Forests Atlas
Image: Wageningen University & Research, https://www.wur.nl

Wednesday Dec 13, 2023


In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we speak to Dr Douglas Clark, an associate professor at the School of Environment and Sustainability at the University of Saskatchewan. Our conversation revolves around wildlife monitoring technologies and the collaborative process of knowledge production with Northern and Indigenous communities in Arctic Canada. Douglas elaborates on how technologies, when contextualised within local knowledge and conditions, play a crucial role in empowering Indigenous communities to take the lead in scientific research. He emphasises the potential of non-invasive and autonomous technologies, such as remote cameras, drones, and acoustic recording buoys, in researching wildlife and environmental changes in the Arctic.
Interviewers: Trishant Simlai and Max Ritts
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Image: Human-wildlife Interactions Research Group, University of Saskatchewan, https://research-groups.usask.ca/human-wildlife-interaction

Wednesday Nov 29, 2023

In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we interview Miranda Mesman and Ton de Nijs from the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM). RIVM develops digital platforms like Atlas Natural Capital and Atlas Living Environment to aid green urban planning by quantifying the environmental and societal benefits of greening cities. During the interview, Miranda and Ton share their journey of consolidating maps, building data models, and developing API tools to capture the interdependence of natural capital, the environment, and human health. While digital technologies and data can enable different approaches to modelling urban environments, Miranda and Ton stress that citizen engagement is crucial for realising the benefits of green infrastructures.
Interviewers: Michelle Westerlaken and Jennifer Gabrys
Producer: Harry Murdoch
For more on Atlas Natural Capital, head to Smart Forests Atlas.
Image: Atlas Natuurlijk Kapitaal, https://www.atlasnatuurlijkkapitaal.nl

Wednesday Nov 15, 2023


In this Smart Forests Radio episode, we speak to Professor David Coomes, Director of the University of Cambridge Conservation Research Institute (UCCRI). David uses computational technologies, from lidar to machine-learning algorithms, to estimate differences in carbon storage over time and across vast landscapes in response to environmental changes. Reflecting on his forest ecology research practice as it intersects with digital technologies, he discusses the importance of maintaining traditional field surveys in the world of high-resolution remote-sensing technologies. David also reminds us that, beyond the monetary value associated with the carbon market, forests have multiple other values, including their role in combating climate change, increasing biodiversity, supporting local livelihoods, and more.
Interviewers: Jennifer Gabrys and Trishant Simlai
Producer: Harry Murdoch
Image: Zhenrong Du, Le Yu, Jianyu Yang, David Coomes, Kasturi Kanniah, Haohuan Fu, and Peng Gong, https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/10103610 

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